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The Prime Minister has announced that all new homes in the UK will be required by law to have electric car charging ports.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59369715

I think this is an admirable step towards reducing the carbon footprint in the country, but I'm not going to get ahead of myself. I'll wait and see how well this is enforced.

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On 11/23/2021 at 6:20 PM, haf1963 said:

A lot greener than diesel thats for sure...

Actually - I have been told that is not true. Diesels are much cleaner now and the electric vehicle doesn't become greener until about 7 years down the line. We are being selectively told what the Govt wants us to believe.

I agree that we need to stop using fossil fuels but I am not sure that we have yet really solved any of the issues of making green replacements. Whilst solar / wind power & electric cars are green when used, we do also need to consider their manufacture and - possibly more importantly - their disposal at the end of their life.

Your electric car is not so green if the electricity used to power it is produced from a coal fired power station on a cloudy still day.

Boris is trying to tick green boxes for the sake of it - not because it really makes a difference. If you really want to drive green go on public transport. If you want to go green for heating, insulate your home and wear jumpers! The best way to go green is to REDUCE usage.

Going back to electric car chargers - how many will be put in and become obsolete before the owner has an electric car?

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On 11/25/2021 at 1:01 PM, julia urquhart said:

Actually - I have been told that is not true. Diesels are much cleaner now and the electric vehicle doesn't become greener until about 7 years down the line. We are being selectively told what the Govt wants us to believe.

I agree that we need to stop using fossil fuels but I am not sure that we have yet really solved any of the issues of making green replacements. Whilst solar / wind power & electric cars are green when used, we do also need to consider their manufacture and - possibly more importantly - their disposal at the end of their life.

Your electric car is not so green if the electricity used to power it is produced from a coal fired power station on a cloudy still day.

Boris is trying to tick green boxes for the sake of it - not because it really makes a difference. If you really want to drive green go on public transport. If you want to go green for heating, insulate your home and wear jumpers! The best way to go green is to REDUCE usage.

Going back to electric car chargers - how many will be put in and become obsolete before the owner has an electric car?

This is a complete myth. For example a tesla model 3 you might need to do roughly around 10K miles to equal the initial build of the car vs an average ice car, nowhere near 7 years.

The UK has hardly any coal powered stations left, over the summer coal wasn’t used for many months, today on a cold cloudy day with no wind the grid is using 2% coal.

Many EV owners also have solar and/or battery storage at there home, making it very green to use, and those that don’t are often with green energy suppliers who by only renewable energy.

roughly 93% of the battery can be recycled at the end of there life, it’s expected that batteries will outlive the actual car itself in lots of cases and could then be reused for other purposes before they need to be recycled.

Worth a read of teslas impact report https://www.tesla.com/ns_videos/2020-tesla-impact-report.pdf

There is no reason why a charge point installed on house will be obsolete, as long as the builder installs a proper charge point to begin with. Type 2 socket/cable is the standard for the electric car industry in Europe, and 7.2Kw is the maximum you can run on a circuit for single phase electric. As long as the builder installs one of these there is no reason it should become obsolete. 
Unfortunately at least up until now, a lot of builders that are required to install a charge point (often because the council require it for planning permission) install the cheapest thing possible, which ends up being just a 3 pin plug, which is usable of course, just very slow and not ideal. The units they use are for car charging and can be upgraded to a type2 7.2Kw, but often the electric work they do from the fuse box to the charge point is not capable of 7.2Kw, so those that actually want to charge at a reasonable speed need to redo the work and buy a new charge point. Hopefully there will be specifics in the legislation so that proper charge points get installed.

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Did anyone see the Panorama programme about  mining of cobalt in Congo (cobalt is essential for the electric car batteries).  Maiming and killing the miners, killing the countryside and water supply, causing birth defects.  This is the link to the Tweet, but you should look up the programme (broadcast abt a month ago) to see more detail.

 

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The electric vehicle revolution is being powered by cobalt but up to 30% is dug by hand in artisanal mines Tonight on #BBCPanorama miners in the Democratic Republic of the Congo will share the dangers they face 7:30pm https://bbc.in/3rcn4A1
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I think if the world is going to wait until a 'perfect' energy source is discovered before doing anything then we are all doomed.Anything done sooner rather than later is at least a small step forward so switching to electric is better than staying fossil - even if its not as clean as its made out to be.. Hopefully next steps will make electric supply cleaner etc and at some point a better soon will be found.. 

I will be surprised if any credible scientists are saying 'stick with fossil' and wait for better alternatives..

Anyway, coming back to the main topic, I was surprised to see that a planning application from 2019 for converting a house into 2 flats mandated '2 electric charging points be fitted' - does look like whatever peoples misgivings, this is the direction we are heading in..

 

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Apparently in Japan, after the nuclear disaster they fired up their coal power stations again! Now, they are trialling hydrogen cars (sounds a bit explosive to me) and blue hydrogen as an energy source. The problem with blue hydrogen is it produces carbon gases so is not clean (they plan to store the gas - how could that possibly go wrong?) and green hydrogen - lovely clean & green - is too expensive!

It appears we want to save the planet - but only if it is cheap :rolleyes:

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